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<h2 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Are They in Heaven Looking Down? You Decide </strong></h2>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Are they in Heaven looking down? That question about the dead has been answered in the affirmative many times. It seems that I have heard expressions to that affect all my life (I am now 80 + years old), and monitoring of social media in the current age provides ample statements of belief that upon death the soul is transported directly to Heaven to be with the Lord. During the very early years I pretty much accepted the statements as fact. However, as I advanced in age and study of the Holy Bible, my acceptance of the statements as supported fact began to change. I considered and accepted the statements as the sincere belief and opinion of the speaker about the dead person’s goodness and justification for Heaven and the presence of the Lord. Some have said “what difference does it make,” and I cannot disagree with that attitude because it is something we cannot control or prove one way or another. In pursuit of Biblical support for the belief of immediate ascent I found some support, some support for the opposing belief, and some personal confusion. Immediate ascent is in conflict with my long-held understanding of death, the second coming of Jesus Christ, judgment, Heavenly rewards for righteous living, and punishment for the wicked. When I become aware of important, conflicting information it instills an urge in me to try to resolve the differing opinions or versions. In this effort, regarding the current question, I recently went to an authority to find an address of this subject, the website of Dallas Theological Seminary.<strong> </strong>My purpose in writing this article is not to prove my view, but to stimulate additional research and study by you, the reader, to form your own studied view.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Doctrine Statement from Dallas Theological Seminary Re: Ascension to Heaven Immediately at Death</strong></h3>
<h4><strong>Article XXI — The Eternal State</strong></h4>
<p style="text-align: justify;">We believe that at death the spirits and souls of those who have trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation pass immediately into His presence and there remain in conscious bliss until the resurrection of the glorified body when Christ comes for His own, whereupon soul and body reunited shall be associated with Him forever in glory; but the spirits and souls of the unbelieving remain after death conscious of condemnation and in misery until the final judgment of the great white throne at the close of the millennium, when soul and body reunited shall be cast into the lake of fire, not to be annihilated, but to be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power (<a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%2016.19%E2%80%9326">Luke 16:19–26</a>; <a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%2023.42">23:42</a>; <a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Cor.%205.8">2 Cor. 5:8</a>; <a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Phil.%201.23">Phil. 1:23</a>; <a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Thess.%201.7%E2%80%939">2 Thess. 1:7–9</a>; <a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Jude%206%E2%80%937">Jude 6–7</a>; <a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rev.%2020.11%E2%80%9315">Rev. 20:11–15</a>).</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Basis for Author’s Analysis and Position</strong></h3>
<p style="text-align: justify;">As previously stated, my purpose in writing this article is not to prove my view or position, but to provide its basis based on my interpretations of biblical scripture. In scripture references below, I have tried to provide the verses in the sequence provided in the referenced Holy Bible. However, the scripture central to the analysis is:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>John 14:1–3 </strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup>1</sup>“<span style="color: #ff0000;">Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. <sup>2 </sup>In my Father’s house are many mansions: if <em>it were</em> not <em>so,</em> I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. <sup>3 </sup>And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, <em>there</em> ye may be also.</span>”<strong> </strong></p>
<p>In verses 2-3 no mention is made by Jesus of intermediate ascension of believers into the presence of God or Jesus prior to Jesus’s Second Coming.</p>
<p>Two verses which seem to explicitly address the current question are Luke 16:22-23, where Jesus speaks and says:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup>22&#8243;</sup><span style="color: #ff0000;">And it came to pass that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom; the rich <em>man</em> also died, and was buried;</span> <sup>23</sup><span style="color: #ff0000;">And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.</span>&#8221; <strong>Luke 16:22-23, KJV<sup>5</sup>.</strong></p>
<p>Commentary to the 2 verses states:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;">The Talmud mentions both paradise and Abraham’s bosom as the home of the righteous. Abraham’s bosom refers to the place of blessedness to which the righteous dead go to await future vindication. Its bliss is the quality of blessedness reserved for people like Abraham. Simply put, it is being with Abraham.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;">Hell is described as the place to which the wicked dead go to await the final judgment. That torment begins in Hades is evident from the plight of the rich man. The location of Abraham’s bosom is not specified, but it is separated from Hades by an impassable chasm. It could be the distance that separates heaven from hell. Hades includes the torment that characterizes hell. Some understand Jesus’ description of Abraham’s side and Hades in a less literal way.</p>
<p>Also of special interest in this analysis are the Biblical events that describe resurrections of the dead. Reference <strong>King James Version<sup>5</sup></strong>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><em>The widow of Zarephath’s son (</em><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Kings%2017.17%E2%80%9324"><em>1 Kings 17:17–24</em></a><em>).</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><em>The Shunammite woman’s son (</em><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Kings%204.18%E2%80%9337"><em>2 Kings 4:18–37</em></a><em>).</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><em>The man raised out of Elisha’s grave (</em><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Kings%2013.20%E2%80%9321"><em>2 Kings 13:20–21</em></a><em>).</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><em>The widow’s son in Nain (</em><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%207.11%E2%80%9317"><em>Luke 7:11–17</em></a><em>).</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><em>Jairus’ daughter (</em><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%208.52%E2%80%9356"><em>Luke 8:52–56</em></a><em>).</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><em>Lazarus of Bethany (</em><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/John%2011"><em>John 11</em></a><em>:38-44</em><em>).</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><em> Various saints in Jerusalem (</em><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2027.50%E2%80%9353"><em>Matthew 27:50–53</em></a><em>).</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><em>Tabitha (</em><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Acts%209.36%E2%80%9343"><em>Acts 9:36–43</em></a><em>).</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><em>Eutychus (</em><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Acts%2020.7%E2%80%9312"><em>Acts 20:7–12</em></a><em>).</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><em>Jesus (</em><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Mark%2016.1%E2%80%938"><em>Mark 16:1–8</em></a><em>).</em></p>
<p>In the explicit events described, there are no references to the path taken between death and resurrection. They were dead for varying lengths of time and then they were resurrected. If the above subjects ascended immediately to Heaven to be with the Lord, were they returned to earth after seeing the face of God? And did they ever give accounts of their Heavenly observations?</p>
<p>Some writers even question where Jesus was during his death for three days. Bible verses<sup>5</sup> related to events at the cross that involve this mystery of ascension include:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup>43</sup>And Jesus said unto him, <span style="color: #ff0000;">Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.</span> <strong>Luke 23:43, KJV</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup>18</sup>For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: <sup>19</sup>By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; <strong>1 Pete 3:18-19, KJV</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup>46</sup>And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, <span style="color: #ff0000;">ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?</span> That is to say, <span style="color: #ff0000;">My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?</span> <strong>Matthew 27:46, KJV</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup>46</sup>And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, He said, <span style="color: #ff0000;">Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit:</span> and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. <strong>Luke 23:46, KJV</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup>30</sup>When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, <span style="color: #ff0000;">It is finished:</span> and he bowed <em>his</em> head, and gave up the ghost. <strong>John 19:30, KJV</strong></p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Spirit, Soul, and Body?</strong></h3>
<p>What are the components of the human being? Are they spirit, soul, and body? Resolution of this question is basic to interpretation of the immediate ascension at death question. <a href="https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/what-is-the-soul">Zondervan academic writings describe three main Christian views</a> on the soul and spirit.</p>
<ol>
<li>Three parts: body, soul, and spirit – trichotomy.</li>
<li>Two parts: body and soul – dichotomy.</li>
<li>One part: the body – monism.</li>
</ol>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Biblical References to Life after Death</strong></h3>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>The source for the following verses related to what happens after death are from the Zondervan King James Version Study Bible. Note that spelling, sentence construction, and punctuation does not conform to current standards and may appear to be in error. </strong></p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong> </strong><strong>Genesis 2:7 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">7 “</span></sup>And the Lord God formed man <em>of</em> the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>2 Kings 20:1</strong><strong> </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong><sup><span style="font-size: small;">1</span></sup></strong>“In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And the prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz came to him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Job 14:1-2</strong><strong> </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">1</span></sup>“Man <em>that is</em> born of a woman <em>is</em> of few days, and full of trouble.” <sup><span style="font-size: small;">2</span></sup>“He cometh forth like a flower, and is cut down: he fleeth also as a shadow, and continueth not.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Job 14:12</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">12</span></sup>“So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens <em>be</em> no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Job 17:13</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;">“If I wait, the grave <em>is</em> mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Daniel 12:2</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">2</span></sup>“And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame <em>and</em> everlasting contempt.”<strong> </strong></p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>1 Thessalonians 5:23</strong><sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></strong></sup></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">23”</span></strong></sup>And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I <em>pray God</em> your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Hebrews 4:12</strong><strong> </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">12 “</span></strong></sup>For the word of God <em>is</em> quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and <em>is</em> a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>2 Timothy 4:22</strong><strong> </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">22 “</span></strong></sup>The Lord Jesus Christ <em>be</em> with thy spirit. Grace <em>be</em> with you. Amen.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>1 Peter 3:20 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">20</span></sup>”Which sometimes were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>John 5:25</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong><sup><span style="font-size: small;">25</span></sup></strong>“Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>John 5:28-29</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">28 </span></sup>“Marvel not at this; for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice, <sup><span style="font-size: small;">29 </span></sup>And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>John 11:11–14 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">11”</span></sup>These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, “Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.” <sup><span style="font-size: small;">12 </span></sup>Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">13 </span></sup>Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">14</span></sup>Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.&#8221;</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>John 11:25 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">25”</span></sup>Jesus said unto her, “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>John 14:1–3 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">1</span></sup>“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">2 </span></sup>In my Father’s house are many mansions: if <em>it were</em> not <em>so,</em> I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">3 </span></sup>And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, <em>there</em> ye may be also.”<strong> </strong></p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Ecclesiastes 9:5-6</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">5</span></sup>“For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. <strong><sup><span style="font-size: small;">6</span></sup></strong>“Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion forever in any <em>thing</em> that is done under the sun.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Ecclesiastes 12:7 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">7 </span></sup>Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Psalms 13:3</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">3</span></sup>“Consider <em>and</em> hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the <em>sleep of</em> death;”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Psalms 104:29</strong><strong> </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">29</span></sup>“Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Psalms 115:17 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">17</span></sup>”The dead praise not the Lord, Neither any that go down into silence.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Psalms 146:4 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">4”</span></sup>His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; In that <em>very</em> day his thoughts perish.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Acts 2:29 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">29</span></sup>”Men <em>and</em> brethren, let <em>me</em> freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Acts 2:34 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">34</span></sup>”For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,<strong>”</strong></p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Acts 7:60</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">60</span></sup>”And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>1 Timothy 6:15-16 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">15 </span></sup>“which in his times he shall shew, <em>who</em> <em>is </em>the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; <sup><span style="font-size: small;">16 </span></sup>who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light, which no <em>man</em> can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom <em>be</em> honour and power everlasting. Amen.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Romans 2:7 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">7 </span></strong></sup>“To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>1 Corinthians 15:50–54 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">50</span></sup>” Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">51 </span></sup>Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, <sup><span style="font-size: small;">52 </span></sup>In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">53 </span></sup>For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal <em>must</em> put on immortality. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">54 </span></sup>So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory<em>.</em>”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>2 Corinthians 5:6-8</strong><strong> </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup>6</sup>”Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: <sup>7</sup>(For we walk by faith, not by sight:) <sup>8</sup>We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>1 Thessalonians 4:14-17</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">14</span></sup>“For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, <em>even so</em> them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.<u> </u><sup><span style="font-size: small;">15</span></sup> For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive <em>and</em> remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.<u> </u><sup><span style="font-size: small;">16 </span></sup>For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: And the dead in Christ shall rise first: <sup><span style="font-size: small;">17</span></sup>Then we which are alive <em>and</em> remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>2 Thessalonians 1:7–9 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong><sup><span style="font-size: small;">7</span></sup> “</strong>And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, <strong><sup><span style="font-size: small;">8</span></sup> </strong>In flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: <strong><sup><span style="font-size: small;">9</span></sup> </strong>Who shall be punished <em>with</em> everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Luke 8:52-56</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><strong>52</strong></sup>And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth. <strong><sup>53</sup></strong>And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead. <strong><sup>54</sup></strong>And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. <strong><sup>55</sup></strong>And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat. <strong><sup>56</sup></strong>And her parents were astonished: but he charged them that they should tell no man what was done.</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Luke 16:19-31</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">19 “</span></strong></sup>There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">20 </span></strong></sup>And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">21 </span></strong></sup>And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man&#8217;s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">22 </span></strong></sup>And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham&#8217;s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">23 </span></strong></sup>And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">24 </span></strong></sup>And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">25 </span></strong></sup>But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">26 </span></strong></sup>And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">27 </span></strong></sup>Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father&#8217;s house: <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">28 </span></strong></sup>For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">29 </span></strong></sup>Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">30 </span></strong></sup>And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">31 </span></strong></sup>And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Philippians 1:23-24</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">23</span></sup> For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; <em>which is</em> far better: <sup><span style="font-size: small;">24</span></sup> Nevertheless to abide in the flesh <em>is</em> more needful for you.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;"><strong>Zondervan Study Bible commentary states the following:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;"><strong>1:23-24</strong> <strong>Depart, and to be with Christ…abide in the flesh.</strong> Either alternative was a good one. While mysteries remain, this passage clearly teaches that when believers die they are with Christ, apart from the body.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;"><strong>1:23</strong> <strong>far better.</strong> Being with Christ after death must involve some kind of conscious presence and fellowship (cf. 2 Cor 5:6,8).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;"><strong>1:24 more needful for you.</strong> Paul puts the needs of those he ministers to ahead of his personal preference.</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Jude 6–7 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">6 “</span></strong></sup>And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. <sup><strong><span style="font-size: small;">7 </span></strong></sup><em>Even</em> as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance eternal fire.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Luke 23:42</strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">42<strong> “</strong></span></sup>And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.”</p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Revelation 20:11–15 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>The Great White Throne Judgment</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">11</span></sup><strong> “</strong>And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled <em>away</em>; and there was found no place for them. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">12</span></sup>And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is <em>the book</em> of life: and the dead were judged out of those <em>things </em>which were written in the books, according to their works. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">13</span></sup>And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">14</span></sup>And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">15</span></sup>And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”<strong> </strong></p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;">Perspective from a practicing Minister</h3>
<p>Dr. Robert Jeffress, pastor of First Baptist Church, Dallas, TX, approaches the current subject in his book &#8220;<a href="http://www.firstdallas.org/heaven" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A Place Called Heaven: 10 Surprising Truths about Your Eternal Home.</a><sup>11</sup>&#8221; His approach includes:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">However, the most complete explanation of what happens to a believer the moment he or she dies is found in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8. (p. 85).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">Until the new heaven and the new earth are completed, all Christians who die are immediately transported into the presence of God&#8211;the third heaven. The apostle Paul is clear that at the rapture all Christians will receive their new, glorified bodies in which they will live for eternity. &#8220;All Christians&#8221; includes those Christians who died prior to the rapture (&#8220;the dead in Christ,&#8221; as Paul calls them), as well as those Christians who are alive at the rapture and never experience death: (1 Thess. 4:16-18). (p. 87).</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Resolution of the Subject Question</strong></h3>
<p><strong>Are They in Heaven Looking Down?</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">On the basis of the above research, I say “no.” You decide on the basis of your own understanding of the Biblical references. I am certainly not qualified to override the opinions of the theological scholars. However, I believe the preponderance of the references do not support immediate ascent upon death. This is, I believe, supported by The Revelation to John (Book of Revelation) in the Holy Bible. I suggest a complete study of Revelation in order to digest the chain of events that are predicted in John’s dream of Revelation by God, to Jesus, to the Angel, to John, to the seven churches, to the messengers of the churches.</p>
<p><strong>This takes us from the beginning:</strong></p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Genesis 2:7 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">7 </span></sup>“And the Lord God formed man <em>of</em> the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”</p>
<p><strong>To the ending:</strong></p>
<h4 style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>Revelation 20:11–15 </strong></h4>
<p style="padding-left: 80px;"><strong>The Great White Throne Judgment</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify; padding-left: 80px;"><sup><span style="font-size: small;">11</span></sup><strong> “</strong>And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled <em>away</em>; and there was found no place for them. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">12</span></sup>And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is <em>the book</em> of life: and the dead were judged out of those <em>things </em>which were written in the books, according to their works. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">13</span></sup>And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">14</span></sup>And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. <sup><span style="font-size: small;">15</span></sup>And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”</p>
<p>The subject of ascendancy to Heaven is further examined in the article <a href="http://www.donmcelyea.com/2018/07/04/heavenly-ascendancy-rapture-second-coming/">&#8220;Heavenly Ascendancy Rapture Second Coming.&#8221;</a></p>
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